Best. Movie. EVAR.

How do you pronounce Kraken?

Best movie EVAR?

Ev-arrrrr, surely?

...ahem...

Honestly, the film disappointed me. I thought the first film was great fun, not because of the spectacles but because of the wit; the writing seemed to take a severe hit for this one, with less time spent on characterisiation and banter than on finding hooks on which to hang another special effect.

Brilliant! Best review of this movie I've seen! Ten tentacles up!

I have to agree with Morgan about this sequel's quality. So I hope that the third one gets made following the PZ script. I especially want to see how Elizabeth is going to feed her little squidlings.

I don't mind if Will gets the other girl (Jack), but my summer intern would mind very much. She thinks they're both breeders, and can't decide between them.

Arrr...that be the best film review EVAR. I be forwarding that to the rest of me crew.

SH

I have to admit the first was better, but still this movie was terrific fun.

Speaking of pirates have you seen the latest in pirate literatue: The Pirates!: An Adventure with Ahab the follow up to their adventure with Charles Darwin .

I thought the movie was tons of fun. It often managed to waltz brazenly right up to the line separating "spectacular" and "stupid," but never actually crossed it.

And actually, Robert, the movie had a great little gag about the proper pronunciation of "kraken." I'm a language nerd, so I laughed my ass off at it, but not that many others did.

I've always heard it pronounced with a stressed long A (as in "day") on the first syllable: KRAY-ken.

I'm not entirely sure what your musical tastes are like, PZ, but I think you need to pick up a great new album by the band Giant Squid.

Were you to email me in interest, I most certainly would NOT be able to hook you up with a leaked copy, because the RIAA says that doing so would be wrong.

As a leader of La Via Campesina, Basque farmer Paul Nicholson stated: "WTO is an octopus that is why we have been attacking its head, now we need to start cutting the tentacles. Now is time to develop our global, regional, national and local strategies to bury the WTO and more importantly, to bring food sovereignty, our alternative, as the alternative of the citizens of the world and into the agenda of the social movements."

How many of you stayed to see the brief extra scene at the end of the (VERY long) credits?

Do you think seeing the movie helped lessen global warming?

I've just seen the first film on DVD (which had a brief scene at the end covering one of the points I thought had been left unresolved). Quite amusing, good special effects, rubbish science / self-consistency of concept and usual difficulty in hearing the dialogue (not that most of it mattered). I'll probably have to wait a bit longer to see the second instalment.

However, despite the lack of cephalopods (or sea creatures in general) in the film itself, the special features disk did have some old Disney theme park promo footage including an adorable-looking animatronics snail - complete with slime trail. Unfortunately, I couldn't then spot it in the sequence from the completed ride. Has anyone here been to the park themselves and noticed that gastropod anywhere?

It was fun and very silly. Johnny Depp can plum my depths anytime.
Bill Nighy who played Davy Jones was great, even under all those tentecles, his expressions and features were recognisable- very cool.

Looks like Geoffery Rush will be back for the third one, which should be alot of fun.
Interesting, cool bad guys, bland sticky insects for the good guys, no wonder kids of today are turning to the dark side.

Since human zombies eat brains, what do illithid zombies eat?

I didn't stay for the final scene after the credits. Can someone describe it?

I'm in the "krah-ken" camp myself, though I occasionally wander over the line into "crack-n" territory.

Yeah, a bit too long, a bit too much to-ing and fro-ing, but when I felt like giving up on the thing, they had that scene with the "major character" and the Kraken, and just that one shot as they make their decision rescued the film for me. And the very last scene was a cracker of cliff-hanger that I think will sustain my enthusiasm until the third movie. (Missed the credits sequence, dammit! I was with someone with no patience for waiting around at the end of a film, so off we went as soon as the credits started rolling. I'll just have to wait for the DVD.)

Does Davey Jones not look like an evil version of Zoidberg?

Oh, and just to tie up all the loose ends, I think Will and Jack have to end up in a happy pirate life together, too.

Will does not have enough balls to go for the prettiest person in the movie. He'd need a considerable shove in that general direction and I don't think he'd come up with it on his own. It could happen, though, particularly if Will was all torn up by his girl having run off with the (amazingly cool and squiddy) Davey Jones. For the other half, I've no doubt that Jack is inclined to do anyone who is pretty and not saying "no" too loudly. A depressed and broken-hearted Will would be easy pickings and he's pretty enough to be worth a tumble or two. The only downside I can see there is that Jack would probably get bored with Will in fairly short order (oppressive guilt. excessive righteousness. It'd all be so tiresome.) and would then have to find some way to get rid of him.

You know, on the basis of the mouth anatomy and the internal structure of the arms (which we saw when they were blasted by cannon), I figures that the kraken was an echinoderm, not a cephalopod. Granted, it would be a starfish of unprecedented size and pelagic ability, and would be remarkably convergent upon squid.

Bill Nighy who played Davy Jones was great, even under all those tentecles, his expressions and features were recognisable- very cool.

I was rather lying in wait for somebody to say something like the above.

That wasn't expert compositing, nor even lotsa latex expertly applied. Blow Dry's sinister stylist and the man who was Slartibartfast was Mr. Not Appearing in This Film, except for his voice and the development of his character. Much like the contribution made by Andy Serkis to Gollum, what you saw in the film was 100% digital replacement; a blend of performance capture and strong animation from ILM.

Well, CGI hasn't yet got to the point where it can economically conjure convincing performances from scratch. Having Nighy there to do the actual acting counts for a lot, so I don't think it's entirely fair to pretend that the animation carried his performance, rather than the other way around.

You know, on the basis of the mouth anatomy and the internal structure of the arms (which we saw when they were blasted by cannon), I figures that the kraken was an echinoderm, not a cephalopod.

Die, heretic!

Actually, regarding the plot, it is like a good D&D campaign. It is certainly not great literature, or even terribly coherent, but it is very like a good D&D campaign.

What loaded qualifiers reconomically and from scratch are these days, especially considering PotCII's staggering box office plunder.

All I intended to point out is that viewers saw neither Bill Nighy in latex, nor Bill Nighy's face composited with digital tentacles. Davy Jones as seen in the film was an entirely digital puppet, whose performance was a collaboration among many contributors.

Nighy's voice, mannerisms, much of his motion, facial expressions and the like were digitally captured, but no film footage of the actor appeared on the screen. What was on screen was a digital double articulated by a team of animators and technicians. There were times when Nighy would be able to see "his" performance captured faithfully, but there were certainly times when animation carried what no performer would be asked to do.

I recently watched a reel containing just the shots of Gollum done by the animator who created the character's animation rig, "from scratch" as it were. A not inconsiderable portion of Gollum's acting was provided to the director not by Serkis, but by animators. Sometimes, in order to "motivate" the reactions of hobbits, what Gollum was called upon to do by the animators was entirely different than what had been filmed or mo-capped.

Nighy (just as with Serkis) by his presence and participation helped the actors who were not digitally replaced to deliver a more convincing performance, as they could focus on an actor present in the scene with them, without having to resort to their imagination. Still, there is no director living who would constrain his animators and technicians to merely slavishly replicate Nighy's contributions. That's rather the point of using a digital double, to have the flexibility to collaboratively craft a performance greater than the sum of any of its parts.

It's a measure of the success of the technical and artistic team that the performance feels like Nighy's, and not like some sort of digital puppet. Producers always want faster and cheaper and better. As standards are raised, and techniques and tools made available for the next time somebody wants something better than anybody has ever before seen, on time and on budget, they won't always have to pick only two out of three.

The movie adventure was filled with popcorn and fun until Davy Jones appeared, then I couldn't get PZ's mugshot out of my head! And to top that, at the restaurant afterwards, everyone was ordering the calimari.

I know it was all computerised etc but he still looked like the actor, the same as Golum. If you have to use a face it makes sense to model it on the person doing the voice and movements
I still think it was cool however it was done but i like Bill Nighy.

Personally, I thought it was the best movie I've seen all year; it certainly blew "Superman Returns" out of the water.

The pirates were great, the CGI phenomenal, and while I felt a little cheated that I have to wait a whole year for the next picture, I'm willing to bet it'll be worth the wait.

I hadn't thought about the Kraken like that before...it's definitely not a squid, not with those teeth (And lack of any kind of beak), but are there any creatures around that actually do have that kind of mouth? I couldn't think of anything other than an unusually aquatic Sarlacc...

well if you think potc's plot is useles then you didn't absorb to much of the movie. there is a meaning and stroy ling to the plot, you just have to look for it and as for the actors being usless maniquins i bet there better then you woul be, don't put people down if you have done what they did. wrting about a movie and makeing it are to diffrent skill levels altogether.