I don't myself visit Watts' blog unless someone points to something particularly funny or egregious, and the comment threads are so long and monotonous it is even rarer that I go there.
That said, I am always grateful to others who have occasion to do that hard work and who come back out to highlight particularly mind-blowing examples of...of... of whatever it is that adequately describes what passes for dialogue over there. So, many thanks to Holly Stick over at Rabett Run who points us to the Gray Monk at WUWT who writes:
Actually the question is whether or not CO2 is the ‘evil game changer’ it is claimed. Research on nuclear submarines suggest a different scenario. The average CO2 level on an operational submarine may be as high as 2,000 ppm, but is generally around 700 ppm (I think Anthony has a post on this somewhere) which rather refutes some of the claims of ‘heat’ trapping as the submarines are able to maintain a fairly stable internal temperature, admittedly with air conditioning to regulate it. The bigger problem at the upper end of the scale is the narcotic effect on the brain. But at 700 ppm it is not measurable.
If Hansen et al are to be believed, these submarines should be unbearably hot after a very short patrol. They’re not. In fact some compartments have a heating problem.
Beautiful!
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You may not remember, but we had a brief visit from the moronic Mr John O'Sullivan a few years ago (he was going to put Mike Mann and James Hansen in jail for fraud - I wonder how that s going). He made the same claims.
The farce is strong in the denier community.
It's breathtaking to think that anyone could be so deluded to even think such nonsense, let alone articulate it and post it for the world to see.
Almost makes IC sound like a rational being.
I think they should worry more about CH4 from crew farts. It would be a pity if WWIII started because dropped one SBD too many.
I think you should worry more about your brain damage, Dicky.
As an avid fan of conspiracy theories, a cynic and sceptic by nature, "global warming" is just the kind of "leftie plot" I would have liked to help expose.
However.
Having read a bit of "sceptical thought" in this area, it is impossible to fail to come to the conclusion that posts such as the one highlighted above represent pretty much the standard of thinking across the board within Denialdom. So I couldn't possibly ally myself with that level of stupidity.
whirlpool "Denialdom", now you feel better, hein.
climate "doomdomism" is also nice, isn't it?
did it make up into your skull that ipcc and indian railway ingeneer pachauri are not invited to doha climate warming celebrations. why does unep not like its mis-developed child ipcc with its archbishop pajauri, your supreme climate guru, any longer, hein?
wrong again, kai.
http://www.ipcc.ch/news_and_events/docs/COP18/COP18_Doha_advisory.pdf
i officially and solemnly inform you about the upcoming next little ice age as follows:
look at the peer-reviewed high science quality paper here
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/abduss_APR.pdf
Title
Bicentennial Decrease of the Total Solar Irradiance Leads to Unbalanced Thermal Budget of the Earth and the Little Ice Age
Habibullo I. Abdussamatov Pulkovo Observatory of the RAS
Pulkovskoye shosse 65, St. Petersburg, 196140, Russia
Applied Physics Research ISSN 1916-9639 (Print) ISSN 1916-9647 (Online)
Abstract
Temporal changes in the power of the longwave radiation of the system Earth-atmosphere emitted to space always lag behind changes in the power of absorbed solar radiation due to slow change of its enthalpy. That is why the debit and credit parts of the average annual energy budget of the terrestrial globe with its air and water envelope are practically always in an unbalanced state. Average annual balance of the thermal budget of the system Earth-atmosphere during long time period will reliably determine the course and value of both an energy excess accumulated by the Earth or the energy deficit in the thermal budget which, with account for data of the TSI forecast, can define and predict well in advance the direction and amplitude of the forthcoming climate changes. From early 90s we observe bicentennial decrease in both the TSI and the portion of its energy absorbed by the Earth. The Earth as a planet will henceforward have negative balance in the energy budget which will result in the temperature drop in approximately 2014. Due to increase of albedo and decrease of the greenhouse gases atmospheric concentration the absorbed portion of solar energy and the influence of the greenhouse effect will additionally decline. The influence of the consecutive chain of feedback effects which can lead to additional drop of temperature will surpass the influence of the TSI decrease. The onset of the deep bicentennial minimum of TSI is expected in 2042±11, that of the 19th Little Ice Age in the past 7500 years – in 2055±11.
Hey, kai, NEWSFLASH FOR YOU: Antarctic Sea Ice Retreating!!!!
GLOBAL WARMING PROVED!!!!
Personally, I'm a little sceptical of Abdumassatov for a few reasons.
1/ His projections don't actually seem to rest on any explicable theory or obsrvations. He's just drawn a bunch of downward-trending curves based on nothing but his conviction that there will be cooling.
2/ His claims that solar irradiance has increased in tandem with global warming is contradicted by the actual observations.
3/ His opinions about the physical properties of gases such as CO2 fly in the face of scientific theory and observation.
To sum him up, he seems to be a loose cannon and a kook.
Luckily, we only have to wait two years for his "Ice Age in 2014" prediction to be tested.
Presumably, come December 2014, that's the last we will hear of him.
Anybody noticed David Archibald's "Ice Age in 2012" doesn't seem to have come about?