Interview with Anthony Zinni

Tim Russert interviewed General Anthony Zinni last night. In the early stages of the Iraq war, I wrote about Zinni a lot. He was the head of the US Central Command, the chief American military officer in the Middle East, until just before the war broke out. He was also one of the generals, along with Eric Shinseki, who spoke out publicly about the massive mistakes and ridiculously rosy scenarios being thrown out by the administration in the media. I said then that if we didn't listen to Zinni and Shinseki we were going to end up with a disaster on our hands in Iraq, and that has proven true.

Zinni was the man in charge of all the war planning in the middle east. He had worked for years on detailed contingency plans for what to do if the US had to go into Iraq. Those plans included detailed roadmaps to securing the country, stabilizing it and rapidly beginning the rebuilding process. Before he left his position, he was publicly proclaiming that all of that careful planning was being thrown aside by Rumsfeld and he was warning the nation of the inevitable outcome of such poor planning. Virtually everything he said then has proven true.

From the start, Rumsfeld was committed to the ridiculous notion that we could succeed with much lower troop levels than the contingency plans required. When Gen. Shinseki went before Congress in early 2003, he told them the war was the easy part, that we would quickly overtake the nation, but that the resulting occupation would be far harder. He said that it would require at least a quarter million troops and well over $100 billion.

The next day, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz called a press conference and declared that Shinseki was "wildly off the mark", and they promptly moved his replacement into place months before he was scheduled to retire and cut him out of the loop on the war planning. But if anything, Shinseki was underestimating things. The cost of the war is now well into the hundreds of billions and everyone in their right mind acknowledges that we needed more boots on the ground to secure and stabilize Iraq after the invasion.

Zinni has much more to say today about how the war is going and what can be done now. You can see the transcript of the interview here, starting about halfway down the page. I think he's absolutely right to say that we now have a responsibility to fix things in Iraq, and I completely reject the argument that we should just pull out and bring the troops home now. That would be ethically bankrupt and strategically foolish. I think he's also right when he says that the one thing that gives us some hope there is the diligence of the troops on the ground, who have been working tirelessly to do some good there, building schools and hospitals and such, but without any overall plan that could tie it all together. Had we listened to Zinni 3 years ago, we would not be in this much of a mess now.

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Ed said:

I completely reject the argument that we should just pull out and bring the troops home now.

I have the same impulse, but then I think back to Vietnam and I wonder. Each subsequent administration felt the need to stay the course and not appear weak and we ended up just digging ourselves in deeper and deeper. I worry that the same thing will happen in Iraq, especially if a Democrat gets elected. I fear they will feel the need to "out-Security the Republicans" and will throw more and more troops at it.

The point Murtha makes is that our presence is actually making it harder for Iraq to succeed. If that's the case then the wise, ethical thing to do is to withdraw our troops in some way, whether "just over the horizon" as Murtha argues or something else.

I fear at this point that having bungled the post-War execution so badly there is no "good" choice, only different degrees of "bad".

I think he's also right when he says that the one thing that gives us some hope there is the diligence of the troops on the ground, who have been working tirelessly to do some good there, building schools and hospitals and such, but without any overall plan that could tie it all together.

Whenever I read what the grunts who are in Iraq have to say, they express amazement at how the media image of the US Army differs from reality. They are being portrayed as various mutation of Lynne England, while what you say is the real thing. They also say it is not true that Iraqis are so hostile to them as the media say.

The point Murtha makes is that our presence is actually making it harder for Iraq to succeed. If that's the case then the wise, ethical thing to do is to withdraw our troops in some way, whether "just over the horizon" as Murtha argues or something else.

One has to be very careful in such situations to avoid wishful thinking and convincing yourself that doing what you would like to do, but KNOW it would be wrong, is the "ethical thing to do".

By Roman Werpachowski (not verified) on 03 Apr 2006 #permalink

The money quote, IMO:

MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the American media is distorting the news from Iraq, or presenting an accurate picture?

GEN. ZINNI: Well, I think the American media's being made a scapegoat for what's going on out there. At last count, I think something like 80 journalists have been killed in Iraq. It's hard to get outside the green zone and not risk your life, or risk kidnapping, at a minimum, to get the story. And it's hard to blame the media for no good stories when the security situation is such that they can't even go out and get the good stories without risking their lives. And you have to remember that it's hard to dwell on the good things when the bad things are so overwhelmingly traumatic and catastrophic, you know? So I think that's an unfair blame that's put on the media. I think that there probably are good things at the lower level, but are they balanced out by the bad things that are happening? All the good things happening out there will mean nothing if the unity government doesn't come together.

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